If you could have anything happen for Loras, what would you like to happen to your former love? (x)
Still so angry about the show’s utter disregard for Loras’ grief—entirely contrary to GRRM’s version.
From Game of Thrones’ official YouTube page, here are some new faces!
And Sid looks so absolutely tickled to be part of this. Yay!
Last SDCC-related note before I go drug up and try to sleep away this cold:
Alexander Siddig as Doran Martell is absolutely PERFECT casting. I know fans have wanted him in that role for years, and I’m absolutely delighted that it’s happening.
Problematic Ships: An Abridged List
I told myself I wouldn’t think about this issue today, but my brain had other ideas, so …
With the insistence by some that my current OTP is reprehensible because it’s inherently dubcon, I thought I’d take a look at some other popular ships that have problematic elements, but get “romanticized” anyway. Click the cut to be schooled, you deviants!
If they don’t say shit about Ramsay Bolton and Theon Greyjoy. Especially if they’re fans of both shows. Are you really saying that the relationship between Ragnar and Athelstan is comparable to the grotesque that is THRAMSAY? Really? No one…
Oh, I know. There was some woobifying going on but, overall it was what I expected. Which is great and has produced some art that would make you cry or drool, depending on your preference.
What bothers me is that most of us into Athelnar are completely aware of the issues inherent in the ship (can’t say all but the ones I know), as well, but it doesn’t stop a certain few from being contentious crap monsters about it. Yet they ignore it from another fandom that they’re active in. They should take their crusade to all points on the fandom map. Point out the troubles for other fans. Show them the truth and the light or whatever they call it….
To be fair: Athelnar is the most popular ship in this fandom; avoiding it entirely is impossible in a way that avoiding Thramsay in GoT fandom wouldn’t be.
However, GoT also has a fuckton of other problematic ships, and they’re more or less unavoidable in that fandom. In fact, one of them—Dany/Drogo—actually is very comparable to Athelnar (sheltered virgin falls for barbarian owner.) It also has the added squick factor of her being way underage (13 or 16, depending on book or show) and in show canon, he actually assaults her on their wedding night. Yet not only is this ship fully romanticized both in canon and in fandom, it’s ubiquitous, and almost never even questioned.
It’s pretty darn easy to understand why people would freak out about Athelnar and not Dany/Drogo, though: We’re used to seeing women as way underpowered in relationships. We’re definitely not used to seeing a man in that position. It’s not just the m/m that people object to; it’s also Athelstan being in a “weak” role usually reserved only for women. Nevermind that his power relative to Ragnar is several times greater than Dany’s relative to Drogo; he’s still far more weak than a man ever “should” be, AND he’s non-macho to boot. Quelle horreur. Hell, I think this is probably a big part of why people deny the clear romantic subtext in canon. They just can’t wrap their brains around a man playing the same relationship role that women usually play in those plot tropes.
So, yeah. GoT is overrun with seriously problematic ships (including SanSan and Sansa/Petyr; Gendrya, Tyrion/Shae … I could go on) but because most of them are m/f, and sexism has brainwashed people into believing that power imbalance is normal/desirable in het relationships, few get their panties bunched about them. Meanwhile, we tag everything that even hints at Athelnar because it’s so ~controversial~. W’ev.
Gwendoline Christie is the actress for Brienne of Tarth in Game of Thrones. She stands at 6 feet 3 inches tall and took swordfighting, horseriding, and stagefighting lessons for her part, as well as gaining 14 pounds of muscle, to accurately portray Brienne. (x)
She was also terrified of cutting her hair because she’d spent her life believing it was one of the only things that would make people see her as feminine despite her height. In an interview with TV Guide she said:
I struggled for a long time with [cutting] my hair, but then I’m grateful for the opportunity to realize that femininity doesn’t have to come from hair or any of those traditional female archetypes of appearance, So, that’s been exciting actually. I can’t speak with any kind of authority whatsoever because I’m just an actor and I only have my opinions, but I do think it’s really refreshing to have a woman depicted on a mainstream TV show that doesn’t obey typical aesthetics of females and the way they have been portrayed in the past. And I’m really excited to be portraying one of those women. And I hope that her popularity signals a greater expansion of people’s views about men and women and that gender types can be more flexible.
I love this woman.
Come to think of it: That thing I love about Vikings is also why I loved Primeval so much. Connor and Abby—beta male and alpha female—were originally just nerd/action-girl sidekicks, but midway through s3, they started becoming leads in their own right. By s4/5, they actually were the show’s protagonists, even if they weren’t the team leaders. (And that show had probably the most satisfying finale ever, right up there with Leverage.)
I also love Criminal Minds for continuing to develop Reid as a real character (as much as any procedural has character development.) And I like that the MCU has put a beta male—Coulson—in a leadership role. Game of Thrones isn’t full of beta males (Tyrion might be thought of this way, perhaps), but has a ton of alpha females with their own rich storylines.
I keep watching plenty of other things for other reasons (Arrow’s practically canon OT3, for instance), but yeah. Anything that gives beta males and alpha females plenty of time in the sun? I’m there.
So fucking happy this sexy fucker is going to be back on my TV, even if he is playing Charles Manson. He’s been doing almost nothing but stage the last two years, and I miss his damn face.
#forever grateful for oberyn martell#the only character who consistently criticised and fought and raged against the all-pervasive culture of rape & sexual sadism#and who sought retribution for the rape of his sister not because it brought dishonour to his family#or sullied her femininity#but because it was a heinous violation of a human being that got buried in silence#he was determined to give voice to it; and to keep giving voice until it couldn’t be ignored any more#to be as unflinching and ruthless and relentless as the man who brutalised the person he loved#jfc the show needed this embedded voice of resistance so badly; one voice against a tide of complicity and complacency#[this character was everything this performance was everything i’m so fucking torn up about it]
Agreed. As a book reader, I knew his fate going in, but I hoped that the show would give him his due. Not only was I not disappointed, but my expectations were well exceeded. It was a bold move on the show’s part, and it paid off gloriously.
I mean, lookit what we got: An actively bisexual, feminist man of color became one of the most popular characters on the show—one of the ones held up as a rare beacon of honor and hope in this cruel and corrupt world. I hope people realize how groundbreaking he really was.
Singer of classical stuffs.
Shameless fanthing.Queer/Genderqueer. Feminist. Progressive. Gen X. Northwest snob. Journalist and media-deconstruction nerd. Happily married and an adoptive parent of a most excellent little boy. Endless pontificator on topics both sublime and ridiculous. Expect both breathless pop-culture squee and wordy rageflails about social justice.
My "home" fandom is Primeval, but these days I'm most heavily into Vikings, Game of Thrones and Arrow. Check my fandoms masterlist to see the other stuff I usually post about. If it has a kickass chick, a charming rogue, and/or an adorkable nerd in it, I probably like it.
I'm an incurable OT3 shipper, particularly of the alpha male/beta male/alpha female flavor, but I ship some pairs, too (het, slash and femslash.) See my ship list for details.
I don't have much time to make fanworks these days, but I have a few fics up on AO3 and some vids on YouTube (under Talea100.)
Fun fact: I had crushes on both C-3P0 and Data.